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dude i went there today i only live half an hour away from it i saw that in real life and had no effin clue what it was but thanks 4 telling me
have you been in the facories???
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Thanks Big Ed,
Yes, they do have Power of Attorney but they certainly DO NOT have her best interests at hand. All that we have been able to find out is that they won't let her have a phone in her room because every chance she gets she talks about what is being done to her. Very few people have spoken to her within the last six months but those who have said that she has sounded totally sane and desperate to "Escape from this hellhole." Her words Lynne please don't get mad I'm just quoting. :-)

What a mess right? All I know is that her money is disappearing because all "the kids" (aka nieces and nephews and their spouses) are spending her money like it was growing from a tree.

They have my Great Aunt listed as demented so even if she rages on about being treated poorly the family just puts it down as the ramblings of an elderly lunatic. We have tried to call her niece a few times but she hangs up the phone on us. Now she won't even answer it because they know we are trying to help my Great Aunt.

When I say "us" I mean NY family versus New England family by the way.

Okay now here is the really screwed up thing--I told you this was a small town right? Well, the doctor who diagnosed my Aunt as being senile (my Great Aunt's nieces husband) is one of the towns rich boys.

"Family doctor" as I will call him here is the son of a powerful town politician who opened the nursing home my Great Aunt is now imprisoned in back in the 1980s. He's dead now so "family doctor" runs the place and rules with an iron fist. That is why they moved her into that nursing home, so family can keep an eye on her. Also that is why I think no nurses or anyone will speak up for her--they are afraid of angering the boss. Did I mention that the other doctors in the nursing home are "family doctor's" brothers, cousins or VERY close friends from childhood?

Basically my Great Aunt has enough money for everyone involved to be feeding off of. We know that she had about $700,000 in her bank account alone. What's more, her three older sisters (all dead now) also never married, had no children and were very wealthy so when they died they left her all their money. My Great Aunt could have well over a million for all we know and everyone involved with putting her away have got a share of it from the sound of it. Again, she's my Great Aunt--it's my Mom who's really close to her because Great Aunt was good to Mom when she was a kid and would go for visits.

I know we aren't supposed to have conversations on these threads but I hope this is left up. If this is what is happening at a nursing home can you imagine some of the things that went on in these asylums bak in the day?

Again I'm not trying to argue about staff or anything with Lynne I just think my Aunt's case is that one in a million example of what can go wrong with living systems. The fact that this is a small town situation doesn't make this any better.

It's just sickening that this could actually happen! And to such a sweet woman too!

I'm Back! The Hewitt has reciprocating pumps but the ones with a big flywheel and crankshaft like a steam fire engine had. The ones you s\eak of dont have flwheels and rely on lost motion to operate the valves. they are very good pumps but lake the visual experience of the ones with the flywheel. Ever go to Rough and tumble in Kinzers Pa? that is the place to go to see steam and old gasoline engines running.

To James Hefner, Yes the Hewitt has its 3 reciprocation pumps still in it. There were two large ones and one about the same size as a steam fire engine, probably about 1000 gpm. I thought I was going to be able to recover builders plates off of them years back and went out with a ladder and rubber waders and was going to stay on the boat till low tide and put my ladder down and climb down and remove the builders plates, that simple. Only thing simple was me...the boat is full of mud. the ladder went down about three feet and stopped, so much for that excursion. I was able to get the gauges off of it though. I would think the Astoria would have lost motion fire pumps on it, I think they were kind of standard for ferrrys and the like. Keep in touch, Jim

It,s amazing they can dock a ship in 3ft of water or i wounder if it was deeper than that when it was first docked and deserted

Such a beautiful building. Sorry that is it gone..

After all these years to have the calendar still on the wall! That is something else.

While you are correct about the fact that air conditioning and refrigeration capacity is measured in "tons" Mr. Carrier, I just wanted to use terminology that would not add confusion to those not familiar with the industry. Horsepower is easily understood by most folks.

You'd have to find out some legal things first. Does her family have a durable Power of Attorney over your GA. In that case they can put her in. To keep her in they'd have to have her found incompetent. If a relative did the exam and benefited from it sounds limke a major conflict of interest to me. Maybe actionable, especially since he's derived benefit from it.. The "home" sounds pretty draconian to me, The legal stuff is public record and shouldn't be had to find out about. Having POA means that they have to act in your GA's behalf and her best interests all the time. They are permitted to be reimbursed for expenses. You may have tpo file suit to have things changed it' would be problematic because she his only an aunt

Sad for childhood~ For those of us who loved this place, it has been very bittersweet to think it will never open again on this soil. But Clark's Elioak Farm is trying to save and relocate as many as they can, so these structures and figures can be enjoyed once again.The boat you speak of has JUST been delivered to the farm. It won't ride people around, but it can now be seen. The farm also sells a d.v.d of the last day the original owners had the EF. You might want to go to the farm and check it out. I think they have it playing on a constant basis. Part of that money goes towards the relocation efforts.

Were those boxes empty or what ?

wounder if it still works .....yeah probably
not

Yep I live 10 min down the road from it . I remember all these rides when I was a kid. I remember there was suppose to be a boat that would take you that way but it was always closed. I would always take my ask my parents to ask the "tour guide" of the sarafi ride they had when it would finally be open. The Alladin ride was cool but the Alice tea cup ride was the best I made my mom at the time ride it 10 times in one day just to go through the colored cave. I get a little sad when ever I see the movie Cry Baby now

I like the stained-glass winow in the background

Hi Lynne,
Please don't be cross with me but I want to ask you a question which is going to sound VERY strange but I am dead serious.

Is it possible for an older person to be admitted into a nursing home when they really don't need to be?

I ask because I just found out that a Great Aunt of mine was put into a home in New England. Now this is odd because she was always very active and I know she didn't want to go into a home. She was moved practically overnight into the home six months ago but we just found out about it last week.

In this place she is not allowed to leave, she is not allowed to go into town, she is not allowed to make phone calls or have a phone in her room. She must be in bed by 6:30 and make NO NOISE, no radio or TV. Visitors are only allowed in for 45 minutes three days a week. I'm not kidding.

This woman is not sick nor is she declining mentally. We got her on the phone and she remembered who we were right away--she started crying talking to use on the phone. She kept thanking us for "finding her."

Now all of this seemed really weird to us and we weren't getting any answers from distance family so we decided to take a long shot and called my Aunt's best friend who still lives in town. So here's the crazy stuff:

Word on the street is that my Aunt is not crazy at all but was diagnosed as being "demented" and moved into the dementia ward of the local nursing home.

This is a rich old woman and when she was moved into the home all her nieces and nephews (she has no children and all her nieces and nephews are now in their 40s and 50s) got control over her money. So far we KNOW that one of her nephews has brought a boat, another has a shiny new corvette and one of the nieces is away on a surprise European holiday. They came into all this money as my Aunt was put away.

We know that a doctor must confirm that my Aunt was senile and so we asked who did the examination. It turns out her nieces husband did the examination thus when the old woman was locked away he also got a share of her money!

Lynne, is this possible? Can a relative actually do an examination of an older person and deem them "demented"? They live in a small town mind you so he might have been one of the only doctors around. He is also tightly knit with the other few doctors in his firm.

I'm just asking if this is possible? I mean could they really get away with something like this? They have almost drained her $700,000 bank account in a few months!

How can a relative do an examine? Can they?

I know this sounds like the classic "tormented patient" saga but now this seems to really be happening in my family. In this day and age? How?

I figured I'd ask you about the doctor thing hoping you'd know. Thanks. I'm just worried about her.